tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post8464659313877851330..comments2023-06-13T04:53:25.935-05:00Comments on On the left in Victoria: Where do they get those notions?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-86296932706951322142012-08-20T14:33:31.976-05:002012-08-20T14:33:31.976-05:00Dale
First, Rebecca can certainly take up for her...Dale<br /><br />First, Rebecca can certainly take up for herself but I think she was being a little bit facetious knowing that you were a conservative. She gave a smiley face hint...It’s all about the emoticons, Dale...:-)<br /><br />Incarcerating a lot of folks is subjective because I think it's normal for a city of this size. We're not going to eliminate crime, drugs and everything associated with it. As a city grows, our gang problem will grow but right now it's manageable.<br /><br />Yes young kids are joining gangs and but it's nowhere near being the Crips and the Bloods. I've seen the gangs of San Antonio and El Paso and our rag -tag gangsters bear no resemblance to the real pros. We have the wanna be gangsters...IMO<br /><br />Now if you take the gang problem nationally then there's more to talk about...IMO<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-44859690562281279212012-08-20T13:16:02.185-05:002012-08-20T13:16:02.185-05:00Close EA, it's 45.8%
44740 white
4560 black
...Close EA, it's 45.8% <br />44740 white<br /> 4560 black<br />25744 Mexican American<br /> Giving your 340 and making that 100% filled with Mexican Americans that still would be .010000 carried out 12 places to mean no significant problem.<br /><br />Is Dale saying? ...never mind I have no idea where Dale's rationing is taking us.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-72964604451360918942012-08-20T13:14:14.442-05:002012-08-20T13:14:14.442-05:00Mike, I have made this comment before. Is it a lib...Mike, I have made this comment before. Is it a liberal or a conservative thing? My observation is quite simple. For what ever reason our society is incarcerating a lot of folks. If we are jailing a large percentage of young men of a specific ethnicity we as a society have a problem. Bad choices? Stereotyping? Profiling? Insufficient education oportunities? You name it , the fact is we should be aware that our society has a problem. Jailing young men is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a human and societal issue. That is my point.<br /><br />Before a problem can be corrected, it must be recognized as a problem. Funny thing, at lunch I and couple friends were talking. One fellow spoke about a concern for just this issue, young kids joining gangs. He went to visit a local law enforcement leader. That leader had little concern for the issue. Why could that be? Well, he is paid to lock up the bad uns, I guess. So who should be concerned Mike? Rebecca said I could be a liberal. For this social problem, call me a social liberal. <br /><br />Incarcerating an entire generation has not solved the problem, it seems to have only made the problem worse. There is nothing racist about that fact.dalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-55620056322902423962012-08-20T12:16:55.277-05:002012-08-20T12:16:55.277-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Edith Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623443279337364086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-51458450573533206652012-08-20T12:16:44.202-05:002012-08-20T12:16:44.202-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Edith Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623443279337364086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-82445165698803067472012-08-20T12:16:37.935-05:002012-08-20T12:16:37.935-05:00The Victoria County Jail houses approximately 340 ...The Victoria County Jail houses approximately 340 inmates, 40 women, and you can do the math on the men. Not all are obviously from Victoria. Victoria houses Federal inmates from other counties. <br /><br />I do not know the demographic of the jail, but the demographic of Victoria county is roughly 50% Hispanic, isn't it?<br /><br />I am not sure what the point it, either. Do you know the demographic of the jail is? Is it really a disproportionate share?Edith Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623443279337364086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-14558370525526793722012-08-20T10:29:42.038-05:002012-08-20T10:29:42.038-05:00dale
That could be seen as a racist statement to ...dale<br /><br />That could be seen as a racist statement to point out that the current population of Victoria's jails are not white or black but little else. It hasn't a thing to do with liberal or conservative. criminal is criminal. How many inmates are there? Perhaps 300 in city and county jails out of perhaps 20,000 Hispanics in the city. Do the math.<br /><br />It's mostly about people making bad choices or getting caught and not being able to afford a good lawyer. Is it a social problem? Yes it is but it's also an economic one because the Kentucky jails or the ones in Minnesota are made of white inmates and the ones in Wyoming may have a disproportionate amount of American Indians. <br /><br />I really don’t know what your point is! It’s not the first time you have made that statement<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-53182302502372898732012-08-20T09:20:18.718-05:002012-08-20T09:20:18.718-05:00Note: per population demographics young hispanic m...Note: per population demographics young hispanic males make up a majority of prisoners housed in the local jail. Liberal? I may have some "liberal" tendencies. Does "conservative" equate to the status quo? I for one find the over representation of hispanics in our local jail a social problem. "Conservatives" may see no problem with it. Perhaps a conservative would think "those kinds" are bad apples anyway. Does it make me a "liberal" to question the predominant incarceration of a particular ethnicity?dalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-46314037312157657202012-08-19T16:16:11.405-05:002012-08-19T16:16:11.405-05:00Liberal?Dale would consider your characterization ...Liberal?Dale would consider your characterization blasphemous....:-) Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-20973500798388039142012-08-19T16:02:36.743-05:002012-08-19T16:02:36.743-05:00I used the word "liberal" incorrectly to...I used the word "liberal" incorrectly to taunt everyone.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722801117481334969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-31320859942362791372012-08-19T15:49:43.328-05:002012-08-19T15:49:43.328-05:00If I believe in something strongly enough to sign ...If I believe in something strongly enough to sign my name to it and publish it in a publication, then I think others have the right to use my name when pondering the topic I touched on. If I'm not a reader of a blog that mentions my published thoughts and even my name, who cares. <br /><br />It's a free country and we have freedom of the press. That should cover blogs, too.<br /><br />Dale is being a liberal. =P Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722801117481334969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-70871477212521963712012-08-19T13:20:52.906-05:002012-08-19T13:20:52.906-05:00That's an interesting question Rebecca.
I re...That's an interesting question Rebecca.<br /><br /> I referenced the letter in my blog with a link to the letter writer's name. It wasn't as if the letter writer's name remained hidden but it's like those lawyer shows where the opposing Atty. objects to the line of questioning, the judge sustains and the lawyer re-frames the question..Same question..just rephrased..... Dale objects of the use of one's name in a personal blog if that person is not a reader, meaning that they don't have a chance to defend themselves. I assume Dale would rather I not mention any local posters by name and if he accepts me using the “the letter writer" then a compromise has been made.<br /><br /> VicAd did not like anonymous posters criticizing their letter writers and would occasionally shut down a thread to prevent that. I guess they feared that people would stop writing letters if they were going to be criticized by anonymous posters....VicAd no longer has anonymous posters..,-) (wink wink)<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-42002062565520695072012-08-19T12:26:41.621-05:002012-08-19T12:26:41.621-05:00Why would it matter if you mentioned the name of s...Why would it matter if you mentioned the name of someone who chose to have their name published, especially in the context of their published writing?<br /><br />Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722801117481334969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-68434581916595339692012-08-18T18:39:08.070-05:002012-08-18T18:39:08.070-05:00Reform is sorely needed is an understatement but I...Reform is sorely needed is an understatement but I did see where a poster said we have an honest immigration system; whatever that meant...:-)<br /><br />I didn't know there were so many visas but the last I heard over 300,000 people overstay their visas every year because we don't have the personnel to hunt them. They are students, tourists, and workers who didn't go home after their visa expired. They make up about half of the illegal immigrants.<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-84033182978763840302012-08-18T18:02:40.064-05:002012-08-18T18:02:40.064-05:00After reading ya'lls first few posts on the im... After reading ya'lls first few posts on the immigration subject, I did a little research.<br /><br /> Did you know that for PROFESSIONAL foreign workers there are over 60 different types of works visas available?<br /><br /> I could never find a exact, or even a "over" number of non-professional visas, but there are at least 20 that I did see.<br /><br /> There are a two different visas for chefs and cooks, who knew?<br /><br /> I feel for all the people that have lost their lives entering the US. <br /><br /> Illegal immigrants weren't even worried about until, what 1993 or 4 or so.<br /><br /> IMO, having at least 80 different types of visas, and figuring out which one you need, would be a pain to deal with.<br /><br /> As usually, the government has added layers of regulations and bureaucracy to something, a work visa.<br /><br /> Reform is sorely needed. <br /><br /> Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943732661912414361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-54241579885793297402012-08-18T17:24:44.250-05:002012-08-18T17:24:44.250-05:00What I think is that we are both looking at the sa...What I think is that we are both looking at the same semi-filled glass, just from different angles. The end result is the same, but we "see" things a little differently.<br />I really never expect anyone to agree with me 100%. That wouldn't make very interesting dialog, now would it?born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-8724619072947116032012-08-18T17:00:39.020-05:002012-08-18T17:00:39.020-05:00born2Bme
I didn't ask any questions, I didn&#...born2Bme<br /><br />I didn't ask any questions, I didn't demand that others feel the same and whether we like it or not, people will follow their conscience. I've never asked for laws to be changed, other than for Congress to come up with a comprehensive package that will deal with the situation as best they can. I fully understand that we cannot sustain "open borders" and I emphasized that several times.<br /><br />I also completely understand your sentiments for I know that if I don't curb my salt intake, my blood pressure will remain high but all that is forgotten when I go to eat my meal. It's the same way for those who will walk through a snake infested hot desert to come to our country. As I stated, they're fully aware of the consequences but they will not be deterred. <br /> <br />I had never advocated circumventing any laws but I have sat on juries to weigh the circumstances as to whether the punishment meets the crime or misdemeanor. We see laws broken at the highest levels by our government and business every day and they go unpunished. They too were taught at an early age what is right in what is wrong at an early age. I try not taking the high road when a particular law is broken.<br /><br />It's not my intentions to judge but if I were to guess; I would think that you are a caring, concerned and an intelligent human being. I think if you read my responses, I agreed with many of your points but you may be misconstruing my sentiments because I didn't agree with you 100%............Just a thought..:-)<br /><br />As you well know, I despise talking about social issues and would rather talk about economics', policy, the constitution or subjects that can be debated using math, history, court cases and science. The social issues become too passionate and they never come close to being agreed on because each side only wants to win.<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-53076532383073575332012-08-18T16:15:29.051-05:002012-08-18T16:15:29.051-05:00There are no answers to your questions. Every per...There are no answers to your questions. Every person must do what their conscience tells them to do, but no one has the right to demand that others feel the same way they do.<br />I have mixed feelings on the subject. On one hand, I know that every life is precious and we must pray for their souls and feel sorry that it happened, but on the other hand, "except for the children", they knew what they were getting into and purposely took the chance and put their own lives in danger. That makes it no ones fault except their own. <br />It does not make it any less a tragedy, or less a crime, when people die pursuing a criminal activity.<br />We have laws in this Country for a reason, and we were taught as children to always obey the law, no matter what. Laws are there for our protection and for the protection of those breaking the laws.<br />When those laws are ignored, then events are set in place and things can go very wrong and often do. <br />I don't feel like this is a case where the laws should be changed to justify, or abet, the lawbreakers.<br />You may think that I do not care about those less fortunate than I am. You couldn't be farther from the truth, but I do know that a sinking ship cannot take on more weight without sinking that much faster.<br />I think there is a way to help without sinking our ship.born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-3049145751580596232012-08-18T14:52:43.671-05:002012-08-18T14:52:43.671-05:00Sorry that's our Congress is afraid to take up...Sorry that's our Congress is afraid to take up the issue.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-47321242283245160252012-08-18T14:48:11.195-05:002012-08-18T14:48:11.195-05:00I guess from what I gather the issue remains: Is i...I guess from what I gather the issue remains: Is it wrong to point out that the illegal immigrants who died in the auto accident were guilty of committing misdemeanor trespassing? If it was their first time, I believe that's still the charge. Is it wrong to continue to have sympathy for those folks because the tragedy can be prevented if they would just stop trying to enter this country illegally? Don’t make them out to be martyrs.<br /><br />I think if the deaths were sporadic there would be more sympathy but it's far too common and sometimes the people who want these events to stop are inadvertently the reason our Congress are afraid to take up the issue..<br /><br />Part II: Would the folks who adamantly defend and sympathize with those who will cross our southern borders do the same if the offenders who were from another country other than South or Central America? I can see where that could be a vice versa question.<br /><br />The truth as I know it is that we no longer have work visas for those who live south of the border. The construction business does not need workers and our agriculture business is suffering from a severe drought. So, the option of coming here legally is not available right now, in fact the southern border crossings is at zero sum, so the illegal immigrants are probably headed to restaurants, hotels, and meat processing plants where they've have been promised that a job is available if they can make it. The immigrants know what they're doing is illegal because you can't deny if you’re hiding in an 18 wheeler; you’re definitely breaking the law. If your leader has a pair of wire cutters in his back pocket; he probably has a use for it. The bottom line is that no matter how many comprehensive reforms we have, poor people will always want to come to our country, no matter what the risk. <br /><br />The best we will ever be able to do is get to a level of tolerance but for some that will not be enough and the beat goes on.<br /><br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-91693949809924664072012-08-18T14:06:39.171-05:002012-08-18T14:06:39.171-05:00There is nothing wrong with your English but it...There is nothing wrong with your English but it's a bit of a stretch to go from "all right to have sympathy" for those who died in the auto accident and those who want to remind that mindset that our nation's laws were broken to Arab born illegal immigrants..IMO<br /><br />I thought that question was a "when was the last time you beat your wife" type of question. It starts off by assuming you beat your wife...I was distancing myself from the Arab= terrorist characterization, which might be a common assumption...That's all.<br />Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-84458549056288307552012-08-18T13:35:57.673-05:002012-08-18T13:35:57.673-05:00whoa, I said that "I" think terrorist, ...whoa, I said that "I" think terrorist, and I'm not trying to speak for you or anyone else, nor am I trying to assume what you think.<br />I was just asking what you thought.<br />Goodness, Maybe I need to brush up on my written English a wee bit.born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-38864181276274477072012-08-18T11:27:19.320-05:002012-08-18T11:27:19.320-05:00Born
Sorry but I used the 4096 characters with my ...Born<br />Sorry but I used the 4096 characters with my first answer so her eis the rest.<br /><br />“Would you be comfortable with a huge influx of Arab-born illegal immigrants? My first thought would be "terriorists<br /><br />I guess you’re trying to extract selective outrage, hypocrisy, or a justification for my opponent’s point of view out of me. I’m a data person who doesn’t like to deal with an unreal hypothetical. It’s hard for me to envision people from the Middle East coming into this country illegally in masses. There’s big body water between the two countries. I can tell you this; I don’t distrust Arabs because of 911 and I’ve said that publicly many times. My honest answer is” I don’t know” because I would have to see how it played out. But then again I have never said that I supported illegal immigration,so I guess you are asking about my sympathy for other human being in the same predicament .<br /><br />The views I presented are my own and as usual I don’t have the audacity to think that I can represent any side of the issueMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-82283092714093014382012-08-18T11:25:02.480-05:002012-08-18T11:25:02.480-05:00born2Bme
I think it's the basis of the attitu...born2Bme<br /><br />I think it's the basis of the attitude where we might disagree on... I don't like unsubstantiated statements being treated as though they were facts... With the exception of the “open borders" crowd and other uninformed posters who are punching back with a few jabs of their own; I don't know of anyone that approves the continuation of illegal immigration. The only difference is that I spread the blame and don't agree that illegal immigrants should be the scapegoat of all our ills. <br /><br />"It may be going on in other areas of this Country, but we never hear about it"... As I like to say, I don't know the "WE" you are talking about because I know I'm not alone when I have discussed how other parts of the nation are handling this problem. I know the newspapers I read and the television stations that I view are available for everyone to see.<br /><br />I am insulted that you think that I automatically associate Arab-born illegal immigrants with terrorist. That's 180°off from the way I think. An extremist can be an American born citizen as we have seen recently or from another country. Let me expand on that. I remember the discussion I had with other posters about NPR firing of Juan Williams for expressing his true feelings. Juan Williams said he would be nervous if he saw Arab-Americans wearing traditional Arab clothing, boarding the same airplane he was on. I immediately said that I would not be that paranoid but I did not consider someone else's viewpoint. I made the same mistake as NPR did. <br /><br />That's background; now allow me to answer your questions honestly.<br /><br />1. Do we ever hear this kind of "argument" for other races when they enter this country illegally?<br /><br />I have to assume you are meant south Texas, so the simple answer is no because as I've said before it's because of the close proximity of the southern border and the culture that was established here centuries ago.<br />2. Those that get so insulted by those who think it is a "legal" issue more than a moral one.<br /><br />Don't underestimate the intelligence of your opponents because even though you might not think so, I think they know it's the illegal to cross the southern border into the United States without legal permission. There's no argument on legal vs. moral... The morale argument will always be subjective. Some people resented the two churches taking part in the religious send off for those who died in the horrible accident a few weeks ago, and others think that the Catholic Church should be severely punished for providing sanctuaries across the nation. We are never going to see 100% approval for "we should hate them for coming here illegally or for making those martyrs for trying."...To each their own.<br /><br />3."I may be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that those who are taking up for illegal entry of Latino's now, wouldn't be so kind with other races"<br /><br />Number one, I don't think Latinos are obligated to have the strong feelings for other ethnicities who illegally come into this country because emotions come from within. You would be perfectly right to say <br />that it is selective outrage and if there are advocating for "open borders" then you would have a legitimate claim of hypocrisy....IMO...Welcome to America.<br /><br />Between now and November the immigration issue will come up several more times and you'll have the same posters posting the same rhetoric...IMO<br /><br />Now, I've recycled my answers several times now so I'm going to have to pull out that line I used to use with my old friend BigJ" will have to agree to disagree." <br /><br />Your last question needs to be highlighted because it’s a hypothetical fishing for a political correct answer.<br /><br />.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-37803329302844597662012-08-17T22:06:43.542-05:002012-08-17T22:06:43.542-05:00I guess I was going off of your statement,
"...I guess I was going off of your statement,<br /><br />"The local Hispanics are defending people who look like them, so they don't particularly want them demonized."<br /><br />I'm just pointing out that you were right and it's the basis for the attitude of most of the people on the VA who get so insulted by those who think it is a "legal" issue more than a moral one.<br />Ethnicity plays a huge role in those feelings. Do we ever hear this kind of "argument" for other races when they enter this country illegally?<br />It may be going on in other areas of this Country, but we never hear about it.<br />I may be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that those who are taking up for illegal entry of Latino's now, wouldn't be so kind with other races.<br />It's human nature not to trust those different than ourselves, and it's basically the driving force behind most, if not all, prejudices.<br /><br />Would you be comfortable with a huge influx of Arab-born illegal immigrants? My first thought would be "terriorists".born2Bmenoreply@blogger.com