tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post5739010136906480999..comments2023-06-13T04:53:25.935-05:00Comments on On the left in Victoria: Our own Echo ChamberUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-75433239630048641832012-08-09T18:48:20.841-05:002012-08-09T18:48:20.841-05:00I know they are no different. The only difference...I know they are no different. The only difference is that no one knows who they are, whether they are criminals, rapists, thiefs, murderers, or just some man looking for an American girl to try and make his stay easier. There is no way to check up on them. I think this is the thing that bothers me the most. <br />I didn't want to call anyone. I just refused to go outside while they were up there. Problem solved with the least amount of trouble.born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-20444639668951790042012-08-09T18:47:17.157-05:002012-08-09T18:47:17.157-05:00Dale
You are correct, there are several immigrati...Dale<br /><br />You are correct, there are several immigration classification but most people concentrate on the low skill because they can be addressed with person opinions. That the echo chamber zone.<br /><br />The highly skilled visa are the H1Bs and I agree with the economists who say that we should be attaching Green Cards to those engineering students diplomas who are graduation from our prestigious colleges. We need them, since we are not graduating enough engineers to keep up with our competitors.It in our economic interest.<br /><br />The fines are just part of the enforcement part but it's just a part of the overall solution. I understand your example and agree with it somewhat but I am a resident of South Texas where we both know what's going on...You see all employers of our great state are required to get an I-9 (Immigration form 9) signed and it should ensure them that the potential employee has two forms of ID. We also have the New Hires program where the employer is supposed to verify the socials...Be honest, how many of good citizen employers are complying;perhaps 10%?Like everything else, they weigh the cost of complying...The Free Market cost analysis can also be use by dubious employers.<br /><br />The advocacy groups will make noise and lobbyists will cut deals with Congress and the first amnesty did not work, so I guess the Romney "self deportation" is the only course available? I think not, I read and reread the Kennedy-McCain comprehensive reform plan which was endorsed by President George W. Bush and I think it’s a good start but it will have to be adjusted as we go along.<br /><br />That's enough for now but I will cover the economics that you might not have thought in another blogMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-67432095263701980362012-08-09T18:14:16.226-05:002012-08-09T18:14:16.226-05:00born2Bme
I can understand your fears but undocume...born2Bme<br /><br />I can understand your fears but undocumented workers are not any different than any other human beings...I remember the people of Leesville LA.,Ft. Benning GA. and El Paso warned their daughters to stay away from us soldiers...It even happened in when I was in South Korea,so it doesn't matter what Congress does they are not going to do anything about human behaviors. ..lol,walk down the street in Chicago and you'll hear the cat calls and see the lewd gestures ...BTW as a good citizen,you should have picked up the phone and called INS and turned in the lawbreakers..:-)Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-71652467156670233132012-08-09T16:34:04.340-05:002012-08-09T16:34:04.340-05:00As a homeowner, we've hired roofers who hired ...As a homeowner, we've hired roofers who hired undocumented workers. All I can say is that some of them can make you real uncomfortable, when we go outside while they are on the roof. They always stop and stare at any woman that is outside and start talking to each other in their language and laugh. It's just uncomfortable.<br />I refused to let my then 23-yr. old daughter even come home until after they left in the evenings. I know she would have caused a stir and didn't want her to have to deal with that. You know, them up high looking down.<br />Is this specific to undocumented workers...no, but at least I can understand what is being said and file a complaint if I need to.born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-45575193667503466522012-08-09T16:09:33.823-05:002012-08-09T16:09:33.823-05:00The program is (or was ) already in force to bring...The program is (or was ) already in force to bring qualified workers. I worked for a company where we brought in Romanian mechanical engineers. (Back then it only took a couple months to bring in the employee.) The problem, as I see it, is the aliens who are manual labor or no skill labors. Skilled foriegn doctors may be waiting just a bit to immigrate. It seems to be those folks who are without skills who must wait and are inclined to sneak in. <br /><br />Past amnesty programs have not worked. The problem may lie in the Catch 22. You fine employers, they will not hire folks who may be Americans but are stereotyped as "illegals". Then the advocacy groups get real mad. If those same employers get fined, their professional groups will get equally bent out of shape. Good luck Mike in finding a middle ground.dalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-39101361859034259942012-08-09T15:49:31.808-05:002012-08-09T15:49:31.808-05:00So you develope a work program where the employers...So you develope a work program where the employers can go to get qualified undocumented workers. That way our governement can keep up with who is here, how much the employer is paying, make sure pay isn't under the table and at least not lower than what is legal, and proper taxes are being paid.<br />When that is in place, fine the hell out of any company that hires those not associated with the program.<br />But with that, also has to come the other part of the issue so the "draw" is not there anymore. Mike and I do not agree on those areas, so I'll just leave that alone.born2Bmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-79369037920998906602012-08-09T15:44:43.298-05:002012-08-09T15:44:43.298-05:00I'm not into tar & feathering but I would...I'm not into tar & feathering but I would like a comprehensive reform bill where the Republicans and Democrats walk away saying" I didn't get all I wanted but it's what's best for America."<br /><br />I don't think the votes are an issue.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-11113202512352293252012-08-09T15:33:44.741-05:002012-08-09T15:33:44.741-05:00OK. Tar and Feather both the employer and the ille...OK. Tar and Feather both the employer and the illegal. Sentence each to one year of the "illegal" walking in the shoes of the Republican employer and the "employer" to living in the "illegals" Mexico home. Now, is that fair? The good point the Republicans gain one voter and the Democrats gain one voter. The old switcheroo.call me mud ;-)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-25091540026245960152012-08-09T13:38:30.021-05:002012-08-09T13:38:30.021-05:00call me mud
That's a unique down home way of l...call me mud<br />That's a unique down home way of looking at it and I don't necessarily disagree with your viewpoint.<br /><br />CNN interviewed a Kansas landscaper who could not hire Americans @ $8.25 an hour to work in the hot sun.<br /><br />Your idea is a fair and equitable idea but I don't know if it will solve the problem..<br /><br />Thanks for the response that keeps the discussion going.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02668070524354374505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-81361389095030888802012-08-09T13:02:29.788-05:002012-08-09T13:02:29.788-05:00I have always found the immigration policy insane....I have always found the immigration policy insane. We punish the "worker" and pat the "employer" on the head. I know for a fact the owner of one of our fine cities "best" restaurant has an "illegal" beautifing his establishment. Taking away a local landscapers livelihood. Probably. Saving the owner money, most definitely. So who is the guilty one, the "worker" or the "employer". My thought is the industrious Republican shares the greatest guilt.<br /><br />So what is the answer? Raid the establishment. Send home the undocumented. Identify the money the "owner saved". Then let the government keep their cost, send the remaining money to the returned alien and post a big sign on the "employers" front gate.<br /><br />Probably won't work. The Republicans will say it is not the "employers" fault the illegal is here. Democrats will say it is not the illegals fault because he came here to better himself. <br /><br />Anyway, those are my thoughts on how to end the hypocracy.<br /><br />(Name witheld this time so as to protect self from being tarred and feathered.)call me mudnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1674561724432497133.post-51976008812338819972012-08-09T12:52:40.171-05:002012-08-09T12:52:40.171-05:00;)
Staying out of this one;)<br /><br />Staying out of this oneborn2Bmenoreply@blogger.com